Could Destiny 2 bring back classic weapons like Felwinter’s Lie?

Published: 21/Nov/2020 22:01

by Julian Young


Beyond Light added new locations and activities into Destiny 2, but a substantial portion of existing content was put into the Destiny Content Vault. Facing criticism on the lack of weapons available, should Bungie continue adding guns from older content back into the game?

Despite adding new content into Destiny 2, Beyond Light also introduced the Destiny Content Vault. The DCV is a way for Bungie to cycle out older content, update it, and reintroduce it at a later date.

Although Bungie explained how the DCV is beneficial for the game in the long run, many players have expressed concerns about removing large pieces of content with no immediate replacement.

One pain point for players is the lack of viable weapons due to the removal and sunsetting of many older guns. As the pool of high Power-level weapons in Destiny 2 has shrunk, players are calling for Bungie to reintroduce guns from previous content, like the Felwinter’s Lie shotgun.

Destiny 2 Beyond Light Europa Weapons
After seeing feedback on the current loot pool, Bungie is bringing back weapons from older content.

Should Bungie bring back Felwinter’s Lie?

Introduced in Season of the Worthy, the Felwinter’s Lie shotgun quickly became a staple of the PVP meta in Destiny 2. Despite being one of the most powerful weapons in PVP, the shotgun was only available during Season of the Worthy. When the season ended, the quest for the gun disappeared and it could no longer be acquired.

The removal of the weapon’s quest at the end of its inaugural season was criticized by many players. With the recent weapon sunsetting and DCV changes, the gun’s availability has once again come into question. In a thread posted to r/DestinyTheGame that garnered more than 4k upvotes, Reddit user ‘Hoodie_ninja1’ called Bungie out for not having the weapon available to obtain in Beyond Light.

Destiny 2 Felwinter's Lie Reddit Thread
u/Hoodie_ninja1 / Reddit
Reddit thread by u/Hoodie_ninja1 discussing the return of Felwinter’s Lie.

“It is the best shotgun in the game after the sunsetting changes bar none and not having the ability to get it especially hurts since the Mindbenders has been sunset,” Hoodie_ninja1 said, referencing the Mindbender’s Ambition shotgun. That weapon was previously one of the best guns to use in high-level PVP, but has since been sunset.

“I get the whole FOMO aspect that it had back in its season, but those of us who couldn’t play during that season are essentially at a competitive disadvantage to those who are using it,” the user goes on. Hoodie_ninja1 is voicing a common concern for many players that have experienced weapon sunsetting in Beyond Light.

Destiny 2 Felwinter's Lie Shotgun
Although Bungie has added a kiosk to obtain some old weapons, others have yet to be reintroduced.

What are Bungie’s options?

The DCV and weapon sunsetting have both been divisive topics for Destiny 2 players since they were announced. Bungie implemented changes to their seasonal content model to reduce FOMO, but some players feel the problem is still present.

After facing backlash for the small weapon loot pool in Beyond Light, Bungie announced they are expanding the game’s weapon availability by reintroducing some guns from previous expansions and seasons. With powerful weapons like Felwinter’s Lie still unobtainable, players will need to wait and see if Bungie plans to bring back more vaulted weapons during Beyond Light and Season of the Hunt.


Destiny 2 players outraged over Beyond Light’s “weak” new Raid Exotic

Published: 29/Nov/2020 23:30

by Julian Young


Destiny 2 players love powerful gear, and with several new exotic weapons released in Beyond Light there are plenty of exciting items to acquire. However, one new weapon – exotic rocket launcher Eyes of Tomorrow – is severely underperforming, and fans aren’t happy.

In any Destiny 2 expansion, the main attraction for most players is new gear. In Beyond Light, there have been plenty of new weapons and armor pieces to chase despite a portion of the game’s older inventory being sunset.

The new expansion introduced several exotics, including the rocket launcher Eyes of Tomorrow. The weapon’s unique perks allow it to fire rockets at multiple targets, and increase the weapon’s damage if enough enemies are eliminated in a single volley.

Unlocked by the first completion of the Deep Stone Crypt raid, Guardians have gotten their hands on the weapon and tested it out themselves. After spending some time with the rocket launcher, the community discovered the weapon is not as powerful as they originally believed.

Destiny 2 Eyes of Tomorrow Exotic
Players are feeling underwhelmed by Destiny 2’s new exotic rocket launcher.

Eyes of Tomorrow underwhelms

In separate Reddit posts – one on r/DestinyTheGame and the other on r/RaidSecrets – players have identified at least two areas where Eyes of Tomorrow is severely underperforming.

In the first post, ‘u/out_of_phase44’ describes how after receiving the rocket launcher and feeling it was underpowered, they took it into several activities to perform some testing.

Eyes of Tomorrow’s Deceptively Low DPS from DestinyTheGame

After testing, they noticed the launcher “seems to have an arbitrary ~50% damage reduction against raid bosses.”

By comparing the launcher’s DPS against One Thousand Voices – an exotic introduced in Forsaken’s Last Wish raid – they discovered the new launcher is extremely underpowered compared to its counterpart.

Destiny 2 One Thousand Voices Exotic
Eyes of Tomorrow seems to be severely outclassed by other exotics, like Forsaken’s One Thousand Voices.

In the second post, user ‘u/KuaiBan’ had a similar feeling about Eyes of Tomorrow after acquiring it, and decided to do some testing in Lost Sectors and Master Nightfalls. They tested the launcher against another exotic – the Xenophage machine gun – and had similar findings.

Eyes of Tomorrow bugged, dealing massively reduced damage in Nightfall Ordeals from raidsecrets

u/KuaiBan discovered the exotic is also experiencing reduced damage within the game’s Nightfalls, saying “After the tests, I have to conclude that Eyes of Tomorrow is acting weird in Master Nightfalls, dealing massively reduced damage for some reason.”

They went on to say that after some additional testing, Eyes of Tomorrow is being outperformed by several legendary rocket launchers as well.

Both users concluded that the new exotic is badly outclassed by both equal and lesser-quality gear in Raid and Nightfall activities.

Destiny 2 Xenophage Exotic
Bungie has yet to confirm whether they will buff Eyes of Tomorrow like they have with other underperforming exotics, like the Xenophage machine gun.

Bug or intended behavior?

At the time of writing, Bungie has not officially responded to either Reddit thread. Players have yet to receive confirmation that the reduced damage output is intended or simply a bug that needs to be fixed.

Regardless of the root cause, the Destiny 2 community voiced their frustration loudly in the comments sections of both posts.

Responses like “God Bungie really knows how to ruin hype, don’t they,” and “I love this game . . . but I absolutely f**king hate this type of bulls**t they do,” were found frequently in the comments of both posts.

Destiny 2 players will need to wait for an response from Bungie on whether Eyes of Tomorrow is bugged or functioning as intended. Guardians should keep an eye on Bungie social media and the two Reddit threads for updates.